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	<title>Comments on: Sagging Pants: Fashion or Disrespectful</title>
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		<title>By: Omshanti</title>
		<link>http://www.theotalks.net/2007/10/sagging-pants-fashion-or-disrespectful/comment-page-1/#comment-75382</link>
		<dc:creator>Omshanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I am doing a paper on trends and came across this post. This is very interesting. While I agree that each generation has its on way of expression, I am generation X btw, I also agree to social norms that must generate our guidelines to social conduct and demeanor. Look, we live in the world where not everyone will always agree with what you do, we base our behaviors with OUR beliefs and morals. If you think its ok to walk around and basically moon people, I really don&#039;t care, thats ok with you. I think it is absolutely hilarious when I see someone walking down the hallway of my University holding books in one and hand and their pants in another, OMG. If you want to be inconvenienced and fumble around with that,  its up to you. 

Heres my argument, please for the love of GOD quit making this an attack on Black people, OMG. I am so freaking over hearing this worn-out argument, its old. Stop. Come up with some other valid points. If a culturally diverse population comes up with a trend, as this trend did come from black people, then people automatically blame it on their race and say they are being targeted. NO you are being targeted because out of all the freaking trends, this just happens to be very offensive by SOCIETIES standards. That encompasses everyone not just whites. Quit already. This trend started as a result of not being able to wear belts in prison and bands like Kris Kross who wore their pants big baggie and backwards. And, referring to Erik Erikson&#039;s model of development we know that adolescent&#039;s is a time that individualism and identity are important. Young people are influenced usually by things that go against the norms. 

So, like I said, if you wanna wear your pants down at you knees or for that matter no pants at all, I don&#039;t care, it doesn&#039;t bother me. But if you wanna play the victim role because YOU KNOW IT GOES AGAINST NORMS and blame an attack on you because your black, that&#039;s not ok, STOP!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I am doing a paper on trends and came across this post. This is very interesting. While I agree that each generation has its on way of expression, I am generation X btw, I also agree to social norms that must generate our guidelines to social conduct and demeanor. Look, we live in the world where not everyone will always agree with what you do, we base our behaviors with OUR beliefs and morals. If you think its ok to walk around and basically moon people, I really don&#8217;t care, thats ok with you. I think it is absolutely hilarious when I see someone walking down the hallway of my University holding books in one and hand and their pants in another, OMG. If you want to be inconvenienced and fumble around with that,  its up to you. </p>
<p>Heres my argument, please for the love of GOD quit making this an attack on Black people, OMG. I am so freaking over hearing this worn-out argument, its old. Stop. Come up with some other valid points. If a culturally diverse population comes up with a trend, as this trend did come from black people, then people automatically blame it on their race and say they are being targeted. NO you are being targeted because out of all the freaking trends, this just happens to be very offensive by SOCIETIES standards. That encompasses everyone not just whites. Quit already. This trend started as a result of not being able to wear belts in prison and bands like Kris Kross who wore their pants big baggie and backwards. And, referring to Erik Erikson&#8217;s model of development we know that adolescent&#8217;s is a time that individualism and identity are important. Young people are influenced usually by things that go against the norms. </p>
<p>So, like I said, if you wanna wear your pants down at you knees or for that matter no pants at all, I don&#8217;t care, it doesn&#8217;t bother me. But if you wanna play the victim role because YOU KNOW IT GOES AGAINST NORMS and blame an attack on you because your black, that&#8217;s not ok, STOP!!</p>
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		<title>By: Casbluh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casbluh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sagging is damn sexy and I love seeing the guys asses all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sagging is damn sexy and I love seeing the guys asses all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://www.theotalks.net/2007/10/sagging-pants-fashion-or-disrespectful/comment-page-1/#comment-37952</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is stupid i dont see the point of sagging baggy pants but skinny jeans its fine. and when people can wear long sleeve shirts and roll them up or put sunglasses on top of there heads but we cant sag it makes no sense also dont look most shirts cover it up? and i choose not to pull my pants up to the point where you can see my junk bulging out like some most of the adults at my school and if i bought the clothes and my parents see me leaving the house with them worn like this its fine because its not physically hurting any body and the under wear? well girls can wear tank tops under v-necks thats the same thing and i wear basketball pants under my jeans so u would never see my under wear this law is bull shit its freedom of speech these shit head politician wants every body to reform and be perfect it will never happpen
       
                                                                                         -Some one with 4 months of detention</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is stupid i dont see the point of sagging baggy pants but skinny jeans its fine. and when people can wear long sleeve shirts and roll them up or put sunglasses on top of there heads but we cant sag it makes no sense also dont look most shirts cover it up? and i choose not to pull my pants up to the point where you can see my junk bulging out like some most of the adults at my school and if i bought the clothes and my parents see me leaving the house with them worn like this its fine because its not physically hurting any body and the under wear? well girls can wear tank tops under v-necks thats the same thing and i wear basketball pants under my jeans so u would never see my under wear this law is bull shit its freedom of speech these shit head politician wants every body to reform and be perfect it will never happpen</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t sag out in public because I find that very disturbing to watch. People find me gay because I don&#039;t sag my pants. My mother would get so mad at me if I were to start sagging my pants. One day my pants were a little high I admit and I was planning on sagging a little that nobody will see anyting but I changed my mind because I didn&#039;t feel like myself sagging just a little. I like girls butts and all but I don&#039;t want to see boys butts though so please just pull up your pants you perverts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t sag out in public because I find that very disturbing to watch. People find me gay because I don&#8217;t sag my pants. My mother would get so mad at me if I were to start sagging my pants. One day my pants were a little high I admit and I was planning on sagging a little that nobody will see anyting but I changed my mind because I didn&#8217;t feel like myself sagging just a little. I like girls butts and all but I don&#8217;t want to see boys butts though so please just pull up your pants you perverts.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, wow.  

I just find it hard to understand how wearing something that&#039;s designed to cover your butt without hugging it (in most cases) feels uncomfortable.  I don&#039;t expect someone to wear their pants old man style up to the navel, but I don&#039;t see how wearing them over your butt is uncomfortable, especially if you wear pants with room in them.  Oh well, do your thing.  Thank goodness for drawls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, wow.  </p>
<p>I just find it hard to understand how wearing something that&#8217;s designed to cover your butt without hugging it (in most cases) feels uncomfortable.  I don&#8217;t expect someone to wear their pants old man style up to the navel, but I don&#8217;t see how wearing them over your butt is uncomfortable, especially if you wear pants with room in them.  Oh well, do your thing.  Thank goodness for drawls.</p>
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		<title>By: DaDa</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaDa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sag but you cant see my underwear i dont wear the little tight shirts or shirts that dont pass my waist and somebody will still ask me why dont i pull my pants up i just laugh beacuse they just wanna bother me thats how i feel it really doesnt concern them now if you see my drawls than thats a different story i wouldnt want my daughter seein no other boys drawls either but im 17 so i think im old emough to be able to choose how to wear my clothes and i feel more comfortable wearing them the way i do..im not trying to argue with anybody but just replyin to joel i wear my pants under my butt and when i pull them up on my waist they feel like there huggin my butt so i guess you can wow about that if you want but thats how it feels to me and again i dont like nothing huggin my butt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sag but you cant see my underwear i dont wear the little tight shirts or shirts that dont pass my waist and somebody will still ask me why dont i pull my pants up i just laugh beacuse they just wanna bother me thats how i feel it really doesnt concern them now if you see my drawls than thats a different story i wouldnt want my daughter seein no other boys drawls either but im 17 so i think im old emough to be able to choose how to wear my clothes and i feel more comfortable wearing them the way i do..im not trying to argue with anybody but just replyin to joel i wear my pants under my butt and when i pull them up on my waist they feel like there huggin my butt so i guess you can wow about that if you want but thats how it feels to me and again i dont like nothing huggin my butt</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Darrell.  As an educator, I try to get that across to my students but it often falls on deaf ears particularly if the parents at home don&#039;t make an effort to reinforce it.  

If saggin&#039; is your thing, then so be it.  The bigger issue is that many that choose to sag don&#039;t have any intention of going to the next level like many of us have.  They intend to make their own path so they don&#039;t have to bother with assimilation.  And who knows what that path may be.  That&#039;s a much bigger issue and I think saggin&#039;, for some, is just a manifestation of rebellion and throwing the finger at what society says is a more conventional way or path of success in life.  Or who knows?  Maybe I&#039;m making it a bigger issue than it is.  Maybe saggers really don&#039;t like anything squeezing their butts.  Just don&#039;t complain when people judge you, like Theo said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Darrell.  As an educator, I try to get that across to my students but it often falls on deaf ears particularly if the parents at home don&#8217;t make an effort to reinforce it.  </p>
<p>If saggin&#8217; is your thing, then so be it.  The bigger issue is that many that choose to sag don&#8217;t have any intention of going to the next level like many of us have.  They intend to make their own path so they don&#8217;t have to bother with assimilation.  And who knows what that path may be.  That&#8217;s a much bigger issue and I think saggin&#8217;, for some, is just a manifestation of rebellion and throwing the finger at what society says is a more conventional way or path of success in life.  Or who knows?  Maybe I&#8217;m making it a bigger issue than it is.  Maybe saggers really don&#8217;t like anything squeezing their butts.  Just don&#8217;t complain when people judge you, like Theo said.</p>
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		<title>By: darrell.holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrell.holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superficially, there&#039;s nothing wrong with how you wear your pants.  As the owner of those clothes through purchase or gift, you are legally justified to wear your pants as you see fit short of public indecency.  One key reason why many find issue with excessively sagging your pants to the point where they hang below your butt is that we as (Christians, Black folks, human beings) owe it to one another to bring awareness to those we interact with.  For example, as a child you may like sagging but when you go to college and find yourself applying for an internship with a Fortune 500 corporation or attending a scholarship banquet for a full ride it would be in your best interest to pull up your pants and throw on a belt.  You may say, &quot;I already know to do that&quot; or &quot;They should accept me as I am&quot;.  As true as those statements may be they don&#039;t exist in a real world.  You can argue the injustices of prejudging people all day, but the fact is we ALL judge others based on appearances.  Why put yourself at a deficit with those who can affect how, where, and when you make income some day just because you haven&#039;t ever met a belt that you like.  It&#039;s better to learn when to fight your battles than spend your life justifying how you wear your pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superficially, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with how you wear your pants.  As the owner of those clothes through purchase or gift, you are legally justified to wear your pants as you see fit short of public indecency.  One key reason why many find issue with excessively sagging your pants to the point where they hang below your butt is that we as (Christians, Black folks, human beings) owe it to one another to bring awareness to those we interact with.  For example, as a child you may like sagging but when you go to college and find yourself applying for an internship with a Fortune 500 corporation or attending a scholarship banquet for a full ride it would be in your best interest to pull up your pants and throw on a belt.  You may say, &#8220;I already know to do that&#8221; or &#8220;They should accept me as I am&#8221;.  As true as those statements may be they don&#8217;t exist in a real world.  You can argue the injustices of prejudging people all day, but the fact is we ALL judge others based on appearances.  Why put yourself at a deficit with those who can affect how, where, and when you make income some day just because you haven&#8217;t ever met a belt that you like.  It&#8217;s better to learn when to fight your battles than spend your life justifying how you wear your pants.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wearing your pants on your waste is squeezing your butt?  Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wearing your pants on your waste is squeezing your butt?  Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazzmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazzmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DADA U ARE SO RIGHT</description>
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